Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/85th Street (Manhattan)

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The result was keep. Withdrawn — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 20:22, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

85th Street (Manhattan)

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It is totally redundant to List of numbered streets in Manhattan, other than the picture and coordinates. There's also a discussion at Wikipedia talk:NYC#85th Street (Manhattan). Epicgenius (talk) 18:29, 6 June 2014 (UTC) (Update: It's sourced, but now it's more of a list of landmarks along the street than a description of the street itself; it still may not be notable for that reason. I personally support a merge of most or all content to the List of numbered streets in Manhattan page, not a wholesale deletion. Epicgenius (talk) 20:29, 6 June 2014 (UTC))[reply]

I think I'll withdraw my nomination. The article now is significantly higher quality than it was at the time that I requested this for deletion. (And giving credit to User:Epeefleche for the significant expansion.) Epicgenius (talk) 14:28, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This is now sourced. The redundant input on the list of numbered streets was unsourced, and tagged for that malady, and has been removed per the tag and wp:v. --Epeefleche (talk) 19:31, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or merge into List of numbered streets in Manhattan That 85th Street exists and that there is a little bit of notable stuff on it does not make 85th Street of great enough importance for a standalone article. None of the cited sources focus on the street, merely on the buildings of note that happen to be on the street. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:52, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Some of this is on the crufty side (is there really a reason for that Japanese Maple tree to be mentioned?) but there are enough legitimately notable landmarks and historical data that should be enumerated in a description of the street that it won't fit in List of numbered streets in Manhattan. --Arxiloxos (talk) 22:08, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – The article describes with sourced details the street's role in the area's transport and architectural history; it's thoroughly encyclopedic. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 09:57, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:15, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:15, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It's not yet an outstanding article — some of the facts mentioned seem to be trivia, like the unendangered Japanese Maple tree noted above, and a few of the references are bare URLs — but it looks like a solid article, well-illustrated, and heavily sourced and cited. It's also a comfortable size, easy to navigate. (I've just dropped the stub template, this is no longer a stub.) I'm surprised that it was nominated for deletion; I had to check the revision history to discover that this 20kb article was a 2kb article two days ago. My complements to Epeefleche for a weekend of marathon effort.
By comparison, the “parent” article, List of numbered streets in Manhattan, is already uncomfortably long, even with many of its street entries just links to separate single-street articles. Merging the contents of 85th Street (Manhattan) into List of numbered streets in Manhattan would seem to be a move in exactly the wrong direction.
Unician ∇ 05:37, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Kudos to User:Epeefleche for the thorough expansion and improvement of the article, which include ample reliable and verifiable sources demonstrating notability. This effort provides a model for creation of standalone articles, where appropriate, from within the unwieldy parent article List of numbered streets in Manhattan. Alansohn (talk) 13:32, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep due to the work by Epeefleche to improve this article. Wow. I was quite prepared to !vote delete, as I am familiar with the street (my dream home when I win the lottery is pictured in the article), but then I saw all the improvements! Bearian (talk) 19:19, 10 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep. User:Epeefleche has brought the content and sourcing totally up to snuff. Yoninah (talk) 23:49, 10 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or merge to the numbered street list. There does not look to be any dedicated coverage of this street itself, only of a few landmarks on it, with passing mentions of the street. Hey, if it was up to me, I'd be fine with that... Tezero (talk) 01:20, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So far two editors have commented that this article doesn't deal with “the street itself”, only with “landmarks” or “buildings of note” on the street. Please enlighten one who truly doesn't get it. This article isn't about a highway, bridge, or tunnel built merely to connect two points, it's about a city street built to host buildings for human use. I assume that the asphalt surface and supporting substructure of 85th Street are like those of the surrounding streets and avenues, and so would need no special description here. I believe the compass alignment of 85th Street is part of a regular grid plan used for this area of Manhattan, also needing no special description here. So what about “the street”, independent of all its structures, is absent? Unician ∇ 08:10, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Coverage of the street itself. Look at WP:N. Also, notability is not inherited. Tezero (talk) 18:17, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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